When they gave a party in the big house, everything was fine. Its massive walls and hand-carved woodwork show excellent workmanship, and its unique hanging staircase is a marvel that piques the interest of many visitors. Lord, Yes! The engineer's name was Jim Vann. Brown sugar, molasses, flour, corn-meal, dried beans, peas, fruits butter lard, was all kept in big wooden hogsheads; look something like a tub. After de War was over, Old Master tell me I am free but he will look out after me cause I am just a little negro and I ain't got no sense. We even had brown sugar and cane molasses most of de time before de War, sometimes coffee, too. I dunno her other name. They had a big big plantation down by the river and they was rich. James (Chief of Vann's Old Town) Vannfamily tree Parents Joseph Vann 1740- Unknown We was at dat place two years and made two little crops. It was in the Grand River close to the ford, and winter time. The slaves who worked in the big house was the first class. I'se born across the river in the plantation of old Jim Vann in Webbers Falls. It had no windows, but it had a wood floor that was kept clean with plenty of brushings, and a fireplace where mammy'd cook the turnip greens and peas and corn--I still likes the cornbread with fingerprints baked on it like in the old days when it was cooked on a skillet over the hot wood ashes. Lord yes, su-er. Everything was kept covered and every hogshead had a lock. I'se born right in my master and missus bed. Mammy say they was lots of excitement on old Master's place and all the negroes mighty scared, but he didn't sell my pappy off. We never had no school in slavery and it was agin' the law for anybody to even show a negro de letters and figures, so no Cherokee slave could read. Everybody was happy. There was music, fine music. I had a silver dime on it, too, for along time, but I took it off and got me a box of snuff. Everything was cheap. Well, I'll tell you, you pull it out from the wall something like a shelf. My parents are both dead now--seems like fifty, maybe sixty year ago. They had fine furniture that Marster Vann had brought home in a steamboat from far away. One of the Six Killer women was mighty good to us and we called her "mammy", that a long time after my mammy die though. My mother Betsy Vann, worked in the big house for the missus. Vinita was the closeset town to where I was born; when I get older seem like they call it "the junction" on account the rails cross there, but I never ride on the trains, just stay at home. One night a runaway negro come across form Texas and he had de blood hounds after him. One day young Master come to the cabins and say we all free and cant' stay there lessn we want to go on working for him just like we'd been for our feed, an clothes. Dey was all wid the south, but dey was a lot of dem Pin Indians all up on de Illinois River and dey was wid de North and dey taken it out on de slave owners a lot before de War and during it too. He done already sold 'em to a man and it was dat man was waiting for de trader. The white folks go first and after they come out, the colored folks go in. My mammy was a Crossland Negro before she come to belong to Master Joe and marry my pappy, and I think she come wid old Mistress and belong to her. Someone maybe would be playing a fiddle or a banjo. There'd be a whole wagon-load of things come and be put on the tree. Now I'se just old forgotten woman. At the time that the interviews were conducted, the Vanns had been gone from Georgia for more than 100 yearsconsequently none of the slaves the Vanns owned in Spring Place were still alive. Yes Lord, it was, havy mercy on me yes. Joseph was the son of a Chief of the Cherokees James Vann, and Nancy Brown Vann. Below New Albany, the vessel blew up when one or more boilers blew up, killing the majority of the passengers and among them the owner and captain. They taken some of their slaves with them. We told him bout de Pins coming for him and he just laughed. This valuable property became a prize for the white man when the laws of Georgia were extended over the Cherokee Nation. My husband didn't give me nothing. We was married at my home in Coffeyville, and she bore me eleven children right. The cooks would bake hams, turkey cakes and pies and there'd be lots to eat and lots of whiskey for the men folks. Everybody had plenty to eat and plenty to throw away. They rendezvoused with other slaves who had agreed to participate in the revolt, stole horses to ride to their freedom, then broke into a store to steal guns, ammunition, food, and supplies they needed for their planned escape to Mexicowhere slavery was illegal. Then we all have big dinner, white folks in the big house, colored folks in their cabins. Now I'se just old forgotten woman. He was the son of Joseph Daniel Vann born 1886 in Kaufman Texas, and Myrtie Maybel Vaughn born 1886 in Norcross Georgia. Everybody a hollerin' and a cryin'. Wife belong to de church and all de children too, and I think all should look after saving their souls so as to drive de nail in, and den go about de earth spreading kindness and hoeing de row clean so as to clinch dat nail and make dem safe for Glory. He was accidentally killed in the explosion of one of his boats, the "Lucy Walker" which was blown up near Louisville, Kentucky on October 26, 1844. They never sent us anywhere with a cotton dress. After it was wove they dyed it all colors, blue, brown, purple, red, yellow. However, the following narrative by the ex-slave, Cornelius Neely Nave, contains correct family relationships. The participants in this near slave revolt received physical punishments, but none were killed. We take a big pot to fry fish in and we'd all eat till we nearly bust. My father was born in Tahlequah just about where the colored church stands on Depot Hill. They'd sell 'em to folks at picnics and barbecues. They wanted everybody to know we was Marster Vann's slaves. It was in the Grand River close to the ford, and winter time. My names' Lucinda Vann, I've been married twice but that don't make no difference. And we had corn bread and cakes baked every day. We stayed here till everything got fixed up, then we went back to Mexico. I couldnt buy anything in slavery time, so I jest give the piece of money to the Vann children. In the morning we got up early, made a fire, and made a big pot of coffee. Brown sugar, molasses, flour, corn-meal, dried beans, peas, fruits butter lard, was all kept in big wooden hogsheads; look something like a tub. So many years had passed since slavery ended that most of the former slaves then available for interviews had been born very near the end of the slavery era. Correction Note: The preceding comments by the interviewer incorrectly depicts the relationship between the family members. Sometimes I eat my bread this morning none this evening. His britches was all muddy and tore where de hounds had cut him up in de legs when he clumb a tree in de bottoms. They had run out of food and were starving, too weak and disillusioned to offer effective resistance. Excepting master and mistress, couldn't nobody put things in there but her. It was tied up at de dock at Webbers Falls about a week and we went down and talked to my aunt an brothers and sister. Sometimes we got to ride on one, cause we belonged to Old Jim Vann. Old Master Joe was a big man in the Cherokees, I hear, and was good to his Negroes before I was born. We didn't suffer, we had plenty to eat. There was lots of preserves. Joseph H. Vann, (11 February 1798 - 23 October 1844). Our clothes was home-made---cotton in the summer, mostly just a long-tailed shirt and no shoes, and wood goods in the winter. She inherit about half a dozen slaves, and say dey was her own and old master can't sell one unless she give him leave to do it. There Vann constructed a replica of his lost Georgia mansion. Some niggers say my pappy kept hollering, Rum it to the bank! After the war I married Paul Alexander, but I never took his name. , Nancy Vann, John Shepherd Vann, David Vann, Jane Elizabeth Vann, Sallie Blackburn Vore (born Vann), Joseph W. Vann, William Vann, Miner https://www.ancestry.com/mediaui-viewer/collection/1030/tree/69753803/person/36207324186/media/f7398599-0630-429e-b3f8-1944ec3951cd?_phsrc=RGj23082&_phstart=successSource, Spring Place, Murray County, Georgia, United States of America, Spring Place, Murray County, Georgia, United States, Cherokee () Principal Chiefs and Uka: Eastern, Western and Keetoowah, Chief Joseph Rich Joe Vann, Principal Chief, http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lpproots/Neeley/cvann.htm, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_Walker_steamboat_disaster. Pappa named Charley Nave; mamma's name was Mary Vann before she marry and her papa was Talaka Vann, one of Joe Vann's slave down around Webber's Falls. A bunch of us who was part Indian and part colored, we got our bed clothes together some hams and a lot of coffee and flour and started to Mexico. He is indeed of warm temper, but who can gain his love, which is no hard task, has gained all, and we have no doubt that with reasonable management, he may be made a very useful man.". Although Lucinda Vann was owned by Jim Vann, she told about the death of "Rich Joe" Vann and the recovery of one of his arms, following the deadly explosion on his steamboat, the Lucy Walker. My mother, grandmother, aunt Maria and cousin Clara, all worked in the big house. In summer when it was hot, the slaves would sit in the shade evening's and make wooden spoons out of maple. Cornelius Neely Nave was a grandson of Talaka Vann, a slave owned by Joseph Vann in Webbers Falls. I slept on a sliding bed. I'm glad the War's over and I am free to meet God like anybody else, and my grandchildren can learn to read and write. Sometimes us children would try to follow her, but she'd turn us around pretty quick and chase us back with: "Go on back to the house or the wolves get you.". The spring time give us plenty of green corn and beans too. He had a sister called Mary and several other stepsiblings. The Vanns were a prolific family who reused many names, so later in life he was referred to as "Rich Joe." He was one of eight children born to his father's nine wives. I go to this house, you come to my house. Some 70 years after "the War," during America's Great Depression, the Works Progress Administration assigned numerous people to interview former slaves and record their recollections of slavery. Old Master and Mistress kept on asking me did de night riders persecute me any but dey never did. He was the father of Nancy Vann Mackey; and Delilah Amelia, wife of Oliver H. Perry Brewer (Brewer cemetery). He had apparently been attending the horse races at Louisville, KY. Vann, Joseph H., Cherokee Rose: On Rivers of Golden Tears, 1st Books Library (2001), ISBN 0-75965-139-6. Old Mistress cried jest like any of de rest of us when de boat pull out with dem on it. When I left Mrs. McGee's I worked about three years for Mr. Sterling Scott and Mr. Roddy Reese. Some Negroes say my pappy kept hollering, "Run it to the bank! Sometimes there was high waters that spoiled the current and the steamboast could't run. When dat Civil War come along I was a pretty big boy and I remember it good as anybody. Another time his officer give him a message; he was on his way to deliver it when the enemy spy him and cry out to stop, but father said he kept on going until he was shot in the leg. In one month you have to get back. But we couldnt learn to read or have a book, and the Cherokee folks was afraid to tell us about the letters and figgers because they have a law you go to jail and a big fine if you show a slave about the letters. People all a visitin'. Explore historical records and family tree profiles about Chief Vann on MyHeritage, the world's family history network. There is no mention of Joseph Vann in the article. Yes Lord Yes. He jest kept him and he was a good negro after that. He was a traveler, didn't stay home much. [Note from curator: these slave narratives are not under copyright]. They spun the cottons and wool, weaved it and made cloth. That meant she want a biscuit with a little butter on it. He died when the boat's boilers exploded. When meal time come, someone ring that bell and all the slaves know its time to eat and stop their work. There was big parties and dances. I been a good Christian ever since I was baptised, but I keep a little charm here on my neck anyways, to keep me from having the nose bleed. My mother was seamstress. Oh Lord, no. Dey would come up in a bunch of about nine men on horses and look at all our passes, and if a negro didn't have no pass dey wore him out good and made him go home. We take a big pot to fry fish in and we'd all eat till we nearly bust. Yes, I have seen something, a story about a 'grandson' of Joseph VANN running away to Texas. Cal Robertson was eighty-nine years old when I married him forty years ago, right on this porch. Chief Joseph Rich Joe Vann was born on February 11 1798, in Spring Place, GA, to Chief James Vann, II and Nancy Timberlake. In slavery time the Cherokee negroes do like anybody else when they is a death---jest listen to a chapter in the Bible and all cry. Chief Born (05 Mar 1746/47) - Chowan, North Carolina Deceased 21 February 1809 - Buffington S Tavern, Georgia, United States Parents Edward Sr Vann ca 1693-1752 Mary Barnes ca 1696-1748 Spouses and children With Margaret Scott 1783-1845 Married about 1765, Spring Place, IT., GA., to Mary Wah-Li Christiana, Princess 1750-ca 1835 with I had a brother named Harry who belonged to the Vann family at Tahlequah. Publicado el sbado, 1 de abril de 2023 . I remember when the steamboats went up and down the river. The colored folks did most of the fiddlin'. Everything we had was made by my folks. 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