Unconventional, but its a carry gun, Id rather have all 13 rounds than risk dropping a mag by accident in a gunfight. Purchased one in December which had a manufacture date of Nov 18. There remain couple of issues: 1) Im not an avid shooter so me firing 1000 rounds in the next month isnt going to happen. Just curious. This is the first micro-compact gun that tempts me to consider if I could replace my Glock 19 or SIG P320 Compact, both 15-round capacity guns. Couldnt get a video but I was able to fire 100 rounds of my self-defense ammo (Winchester Ranger 147 gr. FYI, repair sheet says SIG replaced recoil springs, polished barrel transition, lubricated and test fired 20 rounds each of two makes of ammo. A close-up of the fitment and detail of the 12-round extended magazine. The P365 is super thin, lightweight, but the texturing makes for a confident, repeatable firing grip. I just really like the 365 and am making a concentrated effort for it to work. Some of these were in handgun courses I instructed this year. Called SIG, sent her back to the factory and received her back yesterday. Testing across many different loads, it exhibited outstanding groups. Do you have a link for a review from women? ? I have pretty much targeted the p365 for my next handgun purchase. I ordered the Sig ITP holster for it so Ill try carrying it that way to see if I like it. However, as reports of broken firing pins have decreased substantially, it would seem that this is less and less of a problem affecting the product line. The Macro-Compact Grip Module features a standard 1913 accessory rail, an integrally compensated optics-ready slide with their XRAY3 day/night sights, and a flat trigger. I think I mentioned that when I called my assigned rep yesterday he immediately blamed the ammo. I may be way off track by stating that these minor issues are the result of rushing a product to market. As for the P365I cannot guarantee that buying the gun will turn you into a top shooter, but I will say that the reason I included the video in the review is to make the point that there is something special about the P365 in my opinion. {{ data.quantity.value }} By the time the demo gun from SIG arrived, I had already put almost 2,000 rounds through my personal gun. I just bought one of these for daily carry. In my opinion, Sig should rename them their Ninja sightsinvisible in anything but broad day light. Top 8 Best P365 Upgrades Reviews. Quick View. Nope. Cool, but I prefer milled slides for red dots on pistols. I am a little unclear on this. It was only $50 more anyhow. (I was shooting 147 gr. Oddly enough, after shooting several hundred rounds, I came almost to prefer the flush baseplate when using the 10-round mags. yes. But even if I couldn't get a full grip on it, I never once felt compromised in shooting the gun well, unlike other competitor's guns. In contrast to FTF (Failure-to-Fire) and stovepipe malfunctions that generally only require a Tap-Rack to clear, you can see how this double-feed malfunction can cost a shooter some time to clear it when they might not have that much time in a fight. Thank you for the kind words. and I strongly suggest anyone considering a p365 do some practice sight alignment/picture acquisition from a draw in a range of lighting conditions before buying. I always like learning about new holsters and manufacturers I didnt know about before! Your review is well written and entertaining. If elevation change is your desire, then a front (or rear) sight can be swapped out with one of a different height. The bright rear sights are invisible in lower light situations, and, at night?no use at all as, unless I stare intently, I cant see anything but a very, very, dim pin hole bit of the tritium green glow. @Riley I bought one last week. Magic, I say. It has a phenomenal trigger not just for guns in this class but even for any modern defensive pistol. Thank you! 150 rounds thru it, no issues with feed,fire, or eject, what I did notice was mags impossible to load by hand after 3th round as the follower gets hung up. My comments will probably be viewed as not applicable to the subject at hand. So Im hoping somebody will come out with something new at SHOT Show 2019 that will be the size of the RMSc but with durability more on par with like a Trijicon RMR or Leupold Deltapoint Pro. So far, my biggest complaint is the mag release: it is awkwardly uncomfortable to access and depress. Unfortunately our town is just about out of guns and ammo and the link on your page is out of stock so it looks like it may be a while before I will get the real life experience of the P365. Im not sure what sorcery (you will see similar references throughout this review) is going on there, but it is a very nice, light, crisp trigger for a striker-fired gun. There are 15-round mags that fit both the XL and the standard P365. Im not sure about the bar could break, but what do I know? The grip is, Whats not to love about 10+1 rounds (standard) and 12+1 rounds (extended) in a micro-compact size and form? Is this firearm only reliable for the first 2 shots, and then everything depends on where I pressed on the bullets when I loaded the ammo? So heres the big question: can I be comfortable that if I have to use this particular P365 in a life and death situation that it will perform with the 147 gr. It is a small gun, to be sure, so I expected it to be snappy. Im hoping either SIG or the aftermarket will have an improvement soon. Bore axis height is an overrated factor, but regardless the SIG P365 performs exceptionally well in this regard. It seemed to be a very thorough and impartial review, addressing the things I hoped to see plus several things that I never thought about. Riley: just purchased a 365 with safety this week & was able to get to the range today to fire it. Particularly in its stippling and smooth trigger guard undercut. My personal belief is that the gun unlocks a tad early while gas pressure is still elevated, locking the empty casing in the chamber. Good review! Thanks for your thoughts on the manual safety version. I dont really want to have to carry a speed loader with me whenever I carry the pistol. But it FEELS less snappy than similar guns in this category. Personally, I have three. The 12-round magazine makes the P365 feel and shoots like a different gun. In this age of overblown political correctness and the misstating of facts by the media about guns, theres no way any US weapons manufacturer would invite unnecessary lawsuits by providing sub-par weapons. Sig innovated in two ways with the P365 Sig Sauer P365 The first was the magazine design, and the second was the fire control unit. Some of it could have been ammunition issues, but I think there were some legitimate concerns. The P365 is a micro-compact size semi-auto handgun with double stack 10+1, 12+1, and even 17+1 available magazine capacity depending on the specific model. Kyle did a little demonstration of the P365 on camera with me, and the shots you see me fire there are the first I sent downrange out of this little beast. I am waiting to see. Keep up the great work, Ill keep coming back. Related Products; Customers Also Viewed; Related Products. The one failure-to-feed I experienced was with a +P Winchester round. The SIG Sauer P365 is a striker-fired subcompact semi-automatic pistol manufactured by SIG Sauer, intended for everyday carry. In analyzing the instances where this occurred, I determined that my support hand palm makes contact with the rear portion of the button. Talking with a few people over there, I think hindsight is 20/20 and they feel like it could have been handled better or differently, but I have seen many people accuse Sig of some pretty dark stuff. I call it the little gun that shoots like a big gun. This is true of the felt recoil and muzzle rise that occurs when firing, but it is also true in how accurate the gun is and the ease with which confidence comes to hit your intended target. While I have seen a few malfunctions occur, and some seemed to experience more malfunctions than I did, including brass-cased ammunition, I can still count the TOTAL number of malfunctions witnessed in all these other guns on less than two hands. Sig made or after market mfg? Yet, I still carry a compact p320 with Romeo 1 every day, although I shoot the iron sights on the P365 nearly as well, because I feel more comfortable with the red dot for urgent situations. The front sight stands out in all lighting conditions. Erica, good questions. But Im not married to it. I was a certified firearms instructor in Louisiana as well as through the NRA. Doubted they would have a bitone in stock. I think they did an excellent job. I hope Sig is using better materials for their firing pins for this generation, mine was built in Dec 2018. I have witnessed primer drag on many other smaller guns, including Glock, Smith & Wesson, and others. I dont think you made a mistake. I have felt all alone in my love for this little gun. Considering the other 4500+ rounds of brass-cased (including several hundred nickel-plated cases and dozens and dozens of +P rounds as well) ammunition fired without trouble, I considered this a fluke. True Precision Sig Sauer P365 Match Grade Barrel Gold TIN 9MM (5) $185.99 Notify When in stock True Precision Sig Sauer P365 Match Grade Barrel in Black Nitride 9MM (2) $179.99 Notify When in stock Zev Sig Sauer P365 9mm Pro Match Grade Dimpled Barrel in Diamond-Like Carbon Black (2) $204.95 Notify When in stock Most of the malfunctions I have seen in the P365 platform have occurred with steel/aluminum-cased ammo. Thank you, Doug! Would you consider this gun (now as of Nov 2019) or the new Hellcat as a primary carry gun, including range time? I estimate that I have seen approximately 5,000-6,000 rounds fired through about 10 other P365 pistols. The multiple reticle options give you a big 32 MOA circle that's absolutely huge and easy to get on target at self-defense ranges. (See above.) I am wondering if others have experienced this. I dont know what kind of witchcraft the engineers in Exeter, NH are employing, but for the size and thickness of the P365 to be able to fit 10 or 12 rounds into a profile that doesnt look any bigger than an S&W Shield, it is pure witchcraft Im telling you, pure mysticism! I think its interesting that NJ State Police, myself and now you have experienced the same malfunction with Sig Sauer pistols. If you are experiencing a consistent and specific failure, we would be happy to bring the pistol in for evaluation under warranty as is the case with any SIG SAUER firearm. Premium Concealed Carry Holsters Search by Gun IWB Holsters OWB Holsters Revolver Accessories Instructions About Blog FAQ's Contact Us Search by Gun Canik Canik TP9SF IWB Holsters OWB Holsters Revolver Accessories Instructions About Blog FAQ's Contact Us What are you looking for? Recieved our rental 365 back in May. Called my rep at SIG and his response was change ammunition. The rear sight is easily removed along with the blanking plate for owners who won't be mounting an optic. Im not entirely sure just how widespread these issues were, but it seems Sig addressed it, as I have heard no new reports in some time. It seems Sig rather let customers QC test. Small hands. Thats the interesting thing about gunsdifferent strokes for different folks! its basically the same as the original plus a 12 mag with extension. Yes, but we recommend having a gunsmith do the work. I have spoken with numerous P365 owners, and I have personally witnessed several P365 owners fire their guns. The width of the grip is less than an inch wide which is fine. I am sure some will disagree with my findings, but I can only speak from my own experience and data. Still going strong. There are no ongoing, widespread, or design-based issues of any type related to the function of the P365. I take no comfort in a warranty offered with the purchase of a defensive product. But I do appreciate the pinkie extension. Some report having no problem shooting the stuff; others have similar issues like mine. Plus I have plans for some fun upgrades and modifications Id like to do to one of these guns, mainly because I want to. For now, Ill consider myself a lucky owner of a one-off unicorn mixed with a little dumb luck..until this segment improves. I plan on sending a check to SIG Sauer in Exeter, New Hampshire, to pay them for the review gun they sent me. No doubt the 147gr Ranger is a good round. Thanks for all the time invested to develop quantifiable results combined with estimates from witnessing others experiences during the process. Winchester Winclean Target.) Im going back to my G19. I shot a couple of different early models and didnt have a single RTB issue, but many people did. Carried a Glock for most of my career, love them, but hate their feel. I shoot the gun extremely well and very fast which would not be possible if the sights were that bad because I agree with you that you can only shoot as fast as you can see your sights. The standard P365 is a micro-compact firearm with the ability to use 10, 12, and 15 round magazines. I shoot better with the replacement Taurus G2c than with the sig its what I can see to aim at!! But no worries, man, you carry what works for you. I am retired law enforcement 32 yrs with lingering death threats so I am seeking the best conceal gun I can find and reliability is HUGE. I appreciate your honest opinions on this little gun. I contacted Sig, and Amy Lord, Customer Service Team Leader for Sig Sauer, advised me that due to the mag design on the double stack mag, every 3rd or 4th round will hang up if you pressed on the front of the bullet when loading the mag; it should not hang up if you pressed on the middle or back of the bullets when loading. I call it that because it is like the Little Engine That Could, small in size and stature, but big in performance! Youll note that this is just a few weeks after they were officially released. The slide continues rearward, picks up the next round, and shoves it into the rear of the still-chambered empty casing. Sig Sauer P365 Sas 9Mm 3.1 (2) 10Rd Night Sights 365-9-SAS. yes. Group sizes were consistently around 3 inches at 15 yards (I didnt have a longer range to test with at the time). Do you think this would handle Underwood Extreme Defender 90 gr., 1400 fps ammo? The Boeing 737 max debacle is a perfect example. A pocket sized civilian gun that is relatively easy to take down to see and handle all of its moving parts for cleaning sounds like a great idea. Brass-cased ammo worked very well. Regards, Aaron Weeden The reset is short and aids in quick follow-up shots. Again, Sig fixed this issue within a few weeks. Im glad you like it so much!! If it fails, Im probably through. Its the P365 for me and Im very pleased with it!! The P365 features a patented modified double-stack magazine capable of 10+1, 12+1 or 15+1 full-size capacity. Thank you for your understanding. {{ project.applicator.company_name ? I am not sure what to make of this because my experience with several different P365s has been quite positive. The initial take-up of the trigger is light and free. I think 99% of these are shooter-induced. The gun continued to run flawlessly until the mag was empty even though the mag was sitting 1/8 lower! Subscribe to receive exclusive promos and discounts. Cerakote P365 Grip Module - Pink Champagne $99.99 Style Quantity Add to Cart *Shown as an XL frame* (See XL Grip Module) Factory OEM P365 Grip Modules. Hope I didnt make a $500 mistake. It disappears in an IWB holster and you dont have to wear MC Hammer pants and its small enough to wear in an ankle holster. Magazines are a consumable item, try replacing it, or the spring & follower, and see if that corrects your issue. Hi Riley I just purchased my 1st CC piece and your review is what sold me on it! Also, there were some reports of sights coming loose in their sight channels. At any rate, your great review tips the scales for me to go ahead a summer carry gun (in a decent holster) w/ 10 or 12 of 9mm? The gun is the same size as the original P365. They are bright in daylight or low-light conditions. I shelfed my Glock 43 & sold my p938 & purchased the p365 as my EDC & I love it. These mags saw a lot of range use this summer! MGW carries many replacement slides, barrels, grip modules, sights, FCUs, striker assemblies, extractors, pins, springs and other small parts for this handgun which includes the P365XL, P365X, P365-XMACRO and other variants. Thanks for a balanced fair descriptive overall right on the money review. First Id like to say thanks for taking the time and energy to do such a thorough review. The only issue Ive experienced is during reloads the pistol is so tiny that if I dont adjust my grip, the ejecting magazines hang up on my palm. Ive only shot maybe a 100+ rounds thru it and I know its a keeper; at lease for several years until another storm comes along. So let me begin wrapping up my thoughts on this innovative platform: I think the grip is too shallow. It is a very small gun. As someone whos probably fired this pistol as much or more than anyone else, what are your thoughts on that version? I bought 2 12rd magazines and carry it everyday in an IWB holster. I have many in my stockpile as well. I have been carrying a Glock 27 since 1995. While a shooter with the right knowledge and skill can certainly accomplish this, if you are unsure, as Jacob pointed out, having a gunsmith or certified armorer perform the work is probably a safer bet. (not much) but some. While every review Ive read on the internet says the sights are great, for me, looking for those sights takes real concentration making them not usuable in low light conditions, in my opinion. (603) 610-3000. You show real dedication and knowledge. I was looking for a CC pistol to take the place of my Glock 27 which I find just a little too thick to grip with confidence for such a small frame weapon. Amount: Filter Products . You will have limited website functionality and not be able to place orders. As for the striker/primer dragI dont see it as an issue. In analyzing the instances where this occurred, I determined that my support hand palm makes contact with the rear portion of the button. The other gun finally arrived from SIG in late May and was manufactured in the first week of May. great review riley.mine has a early march date,which makes it one of the first releases.i ran about 3000 rds through it give or take and I did break a striker.sig paid for shipping both ways and replaced the striker and gave me a new slide.until that happened,i have had no problems except for running steel cases.the steel cases just seem to expand and get caught in the chamber sometimes.great little pistol.i hope from here on in it holds up.i plan on testing it hard.. Are you aware of the reason(s) for the P365 not being on the Calif sales list, other than the BS we have to go thru on every issue? Due in part to this improvement in . I hold them like I hold a 45ACP. Best concealed carry piece Ive found yet and I have a few that Ive tried over the years. The Herrington Arms HC3652P 2 port Compensator has been expressly created to fit and work with Sig Sauer's popular P365 series of handguns. Thank you for the kind words, Gunny! Just my experience. Most people dont realize that all the added updates takes up the cost of the lesser one. Whats not to love about 10+1 rounds (standard) and 12+1 rounds (extended) in a micro-compact size and form? Worst-case scenario, the P365 is still 99.85%+ reliable. Look at whats going on with Colts re-release of the Colt Python and King Cobra. I say it again, there is ZERO financial incentive to do so. Finally, around 2,500 rounds on my personally purchased P365, I experienced my first, legitimate brass-cased round failure. Ive now spent about 2 years shooting the platform and thousands of rounds. If you want to know what gun to have, ask someone whos handled them daily for a long time. Thanks so much for a great in-depth review. I did a search this morning for SIG 365 reviews and yours was the first one I looked at. $149.99. Ir is big task and we are bigger than the challenge. Its just a fact of life when carrying a semi-auto. All Categories. I may be able to help diagnose the problem. SIG fixed this on a warranty basis for existing owners and all newly manufactured guns with a slightly stronger recoil spring assembly (RSA). While shooting fast, you get. Cerakote: All other colors not identified above are achieved through Cerakote. One day, I just so happened to walked into Cabelas and saw the Sig P365 sits in the glass shield with the other pistols. Are there any aftermarket magazines that might be easier to load? Companies have developed and released hardened stainless steel replacement strikers as an aftermarket part for those highly concerned about this issue. so Legit Arms shows you everything related to this world to help you decide on the one that best suits your taste and needs. I would like to replace my Sig P232, 380ACP, so hard to rack, While those are the basics of the gun, they don't tell the whole story. It is nothing to be worried about. But the fact is that when I was doing my research, and Im careful to say in my opinion, this was my cartridge of choice and Im fully invested. I need something I can pocket carry when not wearing cargo pants or jeans (church for example, etc.) I could have contacted SIG and said, Never mind sending the gun; I have one already. But I was interested in getting my hands on another one made at a different time for comparison. I dont want to spend another 25 30 percent of the pistol cost so I can aim the damn thing. I am very happy with the one Ive bought. Enter the SIG P365. I believe most complaints, issues and probably many malfunctions are due bad technique, inappropriate grips or general rough handling. 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