The most important thing to remember is that the surrounds must overlap the speaker cone on the inside edge and the speaker basket on the outside edge. Here are just a few you can get from Amazon. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bose-601-Sp_Speaker_Parts_Components&hash=item4603ea01ab, http://www.ebay.com/itm/Foam-Speake005&prg=9373&rk=1&rkt=6&sd=380326978488&rt=nc, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxC7oDIP0wE, In the woods..in Howard County, Maryland, (You must log in or sign up to reply here. The AR-3as need to be completely rebuilt. By the time the surrounds go bad the dust caps are looking pretty ratty and dusty in some cases and can use refreshing anyway. Now apply an even layer of glue to the areas around the cap and surround. Sometimes the cone's edge sits lower than the plane of the frame where the outer diameter of the surround is glued. Each Refoam Kit includes all the materials needed to repair two (2) speakers: of the cone = 9.2 Could anyone give some advice on wiring hookup? A O.D. Each speaker repair kit includes: Best quality new speaker surround Detailed easy to follow instructions demonstrating how to replace the speaker surrounds with or without removing the dust caps Special professional speaker adhesive (manufactured specifically for speakers) Brush for applying the adhesive Free phone/eMail technical support 00. centering speaker cone. I then sold the new pair without opening the boxes. Perfect for any average do-it-yourselfer. Make sure the shims are evenly spaced, and the fit is snug. Edit. Definitive Technology vs. Martin Logan (The Truth), Why Do I Hear Myself In My Headset? Installation average time is 30 minutes per speaker. The legendary red face Cerwin Vega B36 18" speaker sub bass folded cabinet. The search function is not working. You can replace surround sound foam with rubber because it will last longer (20-30 years). Our version of search is not compatible with the new server. Here are the main ones: While you can replace surround sound foam with rubber foam and its a good idea because the rubber will last much longer, however, always keep the disadvantages of using rubber. I use a bunch of clothes pegs around the perimeter then to hold everything down to ensure a positive seal all around until the glue sets fully. C O.D. I prefer to use the 'non-shim' method because in terms of the AR 12 inch woofer I truly believe it's dust cover is an important part of its look and perhaps even its sound in my mind. Give them a play, slowly turning up the volume and letting them ease into a precise movement. Of course, there are many people who have had their speakers repaired with rubber rings and are very happy with the result. If the dust-cap is carefully removed you can often reuse it. For those who, on their own, do very few refoams, I always recommend shimming. You'll have time to adjust it before the glue takes hold. The foam edge (or surround) usually wears out after ten or twenty years. Once fixed, push up and down to ensure no rubbing. I have one additional thought on the subject. A O.D. Click My previous re-coning experience was just watching over a friends shoulder while he re-coned JBL and Altec woofers. Simply let it attach itself exactly where it falls. D I.D. (You must log in or sign up to reply here. >We are sorry you feel that way. I started refoaming speakers about a year ago. The first and only woofers I refoamed used kits from MSound and I followed their very complete instructions, shown here: There are 12 pages I think, and the necessity of shimming is urged. Happy refoaming! Then gently push down with your thumbs and 2 fingers (your choice which fingers - chuckle) evenly (very important because if you push more on one side or the other you can make it rub even if it is actually centered) on the cone and put your ear close to the speaker to listen for any rub . Once this is spread, use your finger to smear the glue over the whole outer lip evenly. Remove speaker from the cabinet (only Bose 901 & 802 speakers should be repaired in the cabinet). 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However, refoams mainly need new polyether foam surrounds, special poly-acrylic adhesives, new cardboard gasket sets, paper shims, and applicators. The Altec Lansing needs refoaming and I think the rest works. Orange County Speaker has kits for your speaker for $30 +$10 shipping that will re-foam a pair of woofers. It works about 75% of the time. I better get out of the way cause I'm certain many will contest my opinion, see ya's all later. my impression is that these are refoamable but the tolerance for alining it all is going to be tight . It was very disappointing to get essentially no sound out of those speakers after all that work. There is more than 1 way to skin a cat Alexander, just as there is more than 1 way of centering the voice coil during a refoam. Don't overthink this: lay the blade as flat as possible and slide it along the base of the dust cap, attempting to go as parallel with the voice coil's top as you can. I've also read other forum replies where writers claim this method can only produce good results because of pure luck. I am not familiar with that exact speaker, but after you glue the inner edge and it dries, you can move the cone in and out and kind of center it by feel. But, it soon became evident I needed to shim the VC air gap. *Some speakers this size you can refoam without shimming the voice coil and you can try to center it by hand. of the surround = 8.75. of the cone = 7.5 At this point, you'll want to grab your brush and start to brush around the rim of the cone gently. Access to our complete library of how-to speaker repair videos. Dust caps, shims and gaskets are available for most models if needed. Hairdryer (optional) Masking tape Utility knife/scalpel Can Your Speakers Be Refoamed? Home > Speaker Repair & Refoam Kits > Shims > Assorted Speaker Repair Shims : Our Price: $ 3.00. Our exclusive clear drying rubber based repair adhesive is designed for paper, poly, and composite cones. Free UPS Ground Shipping in the Mainland US on most Eminence Guitar Speakers and Eminence Pro Woofers! Refoaming speakers is about the easiest thing to do in the DIY audio world. After you first glue joint is completely dry apply a thin layer of glue to both the steel frame and outside lip of the foam surround. Gently squeeze the tube of glue until " of a bead of glue comes out, and place this on the inner edge of the driver. I have 2 pairs of legacy studio monitors (Altec Lansing Model Fifteen and Acoustic Research AR-3a). Board index General Audio Discussion Speakers, Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 3 guests. D I.D. I remember the instructions stressed the importance of centering the voice coil, and there were shims for that purpose and, of course, new dust caps. Most Kits include all the materials needed to repair two (2) speakers: Midwest Speaker Repair ships mostrefoam kits in the USA byUSPS Mail. Note: Do not apply glue to the foam, as doing this will make the foam curl, making the entire repair process incredibly difficult. Actually I had a pair of 901s in the 80s. Oh well. These can usually be refoamed without shims. Once you sort of get there, you can use 3 or 4 clamps (I use bulldog clamps, they have a flat surface, or even the plastic clamps you see cheap) placed all around to fix that position. December 11, 2006 in Acoustic Research. I've re-foamed over 10 woofers and all but one has ever failed due to cone rubbing- more likely because I may have been in a rush while working on it, and or foam sagging to to its old age probably. It also comes with the glue etc About 24 bucks. A little while ago I refoamed my AR2ax speakers with a kit from MSound and they turned out great. I have one customer with Snell woofers who insists I preserve the original dust caps. This process is called refoaming. of the surround = 9.75 JavaScript is disabled. It helps the subwoofer to move back and forth with better control. It has a slide and you can select what you want. Usually you'll get it right first time since the coil will naturally sit where's it's been for the last 20 or 30 years . Foam is generally more flexible than rubber. of the surround = 7, This is a high compliance foam surround, so it is fairly thin. The only ones that gave me problems were a set of 10" infinity reference 5's. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abXT1n6AhmA, It is currently Tue Apr 18, 2023 12:24 am. Besides, foam replacement can be done with foam, rubber, or cloth surround replacements. Now separate the gasket from the steel frame gently using a razor knife. Or fastest delivery Apr 18 - 21 . Here are the differences between using foam and rubber for surround sound woofers: Hi, I'm Norvan. B Roll ends = 5.25 You can also secure the cap out of the way with a small piece of tape. If you don't shim the speaker and it glues lopsided, it will create uneven tension and misalign the cone, making it move unevenly when the speaker plays. ). Once the dust cap is removed, ready your shims and insert them in the voice coil between the wire and the outside casing. Forum Policies, Rules, and Terms of Service. Best phone for non-nonsense small business users in 2023. Please check the available sizes and the dimensions to seeif they will fit on your speaker. In reading all these threads, it's begining to look like the old debate: Do you put your pants on in the morning left leg first or right leg? If you do not use the plastic shims, the voice coil may be off center and it may lead to the voice coil rubbing. D Inside diameter of the surround = 4 (SOLVED). I am guessing I could make my own 30hz tone cd? 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